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Postuar nga Deb* datë 09 Janar 2014 - 03:49:

Lorie leave them alone. Can you help me?
I'm addicted to coffee.


Postuar nga lorie datë 09 Janar 2014 - 05:14:

Citim:
Po citoj ato që tha eliz
Lorie, why do you kill yourself over this? They are sick people, like other sick people with other addictions. If they don`t realize it and ask for help not you, not God, no one can help them. If they don`t want to help themselves no one else will do it for them. Full stop


Part of the reason why I take the time to understand the other party is because I love people and helping people, I am a thinker and analytic person by nature and also because I love to learn for myself. Other than that, I cannot predict people's responses really. But thanks for the reminder



Deb, just look at your yearly bill of what you spend over coffee; that will suffice for you to seriously consider stopping...I should think.


Postuar nga Endri datë 09 Janar 2014 - 11:41:

The middle ground is about becoming a balanced individual. And not the balance which is fighting for one side and ignoring the other shadowy aspect of yourself. This is the monistic view, Christianity was much more dualistic in its early roots than modern institutional one. We heard about the watchers but no one said anything about the porn makers who undergo much greater harm.


Postuar nga lorie datë 09 Janar 2014 - 21:24:

Citim:
Po citoj ato që tha Endri
This is the monistic view, Christianity was much more dualistic in its early roots than modern institutional one.


What do you mean by "dualistic"?

Where do you base your opinion on early Christianity
being as such? I have mentioned to you that I have read a lot of early Christian books and also recommended some to you. I have not seen a dualism there,so please explain.


Porn makers--I don't know much about their psychology except practicing for profit and for entertainment's sake and if the women or men don't do the acts voluntarily, put in exploitation reason as well.
And you are right --much much more damaging than the viewer/watcher.


Postuar nga Endri datë 09 Janar 2014 - 22:43:

In it's early roots Christianity was influenced by Greek, Egyptian and other mythologies. Maybe we can sit down and discuss about it, if you want. I'm merely presenting to you different point of views, that you might not be aware of, not choosing a side or doubting your beliefs and this topic is so vast and touches upon different philosophical subjects, I wish I had more time in the day to think of stuff like this. By dualism I mean, good & bad, life & death, happy&sad, right & wrong, that you cannot know one without the other. Happy loses it's meaning if you do not know what sad feels like and vice-versa. Focusing only on good, neglecting your shadow (humanity's bad side), from a psychological perspective, this is not very healthy for an individual personal growth. These are the biblical standards you mentioned earlier, that touch upon reaching perfection or in other words going back to adam and eve, referencing for you the original sin idea. It's kind of a regress to go back to that paradise from which we sinned and have to go back to reach that state of perfection.


Postuar nga lorie datë 09 Janar 2014 - 23:08:

Yeah sure,you are on point, in that case, Christianity's roots go all the way back to Adam and Eve and the knowledge of good and evil, .i.e. the dualism you mention and the work to get back to a "restored humanity."


And sure, I would like to discuss on your first statement that the early roots of Christianity were influenced by Greek, Egyptian and other mythologies. Where is that based on?

(when/if you have some time)


Postuar nga Endri datë 09 Janar 2014 - 23:22:

Jesus was not the only god-savior. In earlier mythologies we had Osiris, as an example, Egyptian god of the afterlife, Adonis, Dionysus...etc. And they all touch upon a similar theme of being born miracurously with powers not of a normal human being, rising to the status of a hero and then dying either through self-sacrifice or by being betrayed or defeated in war.


Postuar nga Endri datë 09 Janar 2014 - 23:47:

That does not take from the story truthfulness, be careful here. If you believe something for a long time and something where a lot of people did than, my personal belief is somehow forces of nature could turn the belief into an actuality for which rationalism cannot explain. We all ahve hunches sometime that something is about to drop, and then it does. It's similar idea. Anyway, spo e gjas me shume na le pa pune sot.


Postuar nga lorie datë 09 Janar 2014 - 23:48:

That's correct, now I remember

I have read on those mythologies. In fact I think the book the Case for the Real Jesus written by Lee Strobel ( which I recommended it to you and I think you started reading it at one point), a journalist on a quest to finding out on Jesus' identity and history interviewed several experts and I think the myths part is mentioned there as well. But I certainly can find out other resources-just aren't popping right on my mind at this time.

You know Endri, the mythical stories give me some insight so far of what I have read: that maybe God was preparing people thru fables for the real story/truth to come out at the right time. Don't tell me much of anything else though.


Postuar nga lorie datë 09 Janar 2014 - 23:51:

Citim:
Po citoj ato që tha Endri
That does not take from the story truthfulness, be careful here. If you believe something for a long time and something where a lot of people did than, my personal belief is somehow forces of nature could turn the belief into an actuality for which rationalism cannot explain.


I didn't read this. I get it,like a self-fulfilling prophecy?


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