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Postuar nga darke datë 06 Shtator 2004 - 08:18:

Cilat jane faktoret qe lidhin njerezit?

Poet John Donne expressed his view of the human condition in a memorable phrase: “No man is an island”. If, as Donne implies, people are social animals whose fates are intertwined, then why do so many people feel disconnected and alone in the world?

What ties people together?

What is a community? Is it based on Territory? Is it based on Common Culture?

What make Albanian people to be “Albanian”? What make you feel like Albanian and (for example) not French?

Why do we tend to trust people like ourselves but mistrust people unlike ourselves?

Is it possible to have multicultural, multiethnic societies with unity in diversity?

What are the ties that bind people?

Postuar nga Aljohin datë 06 Shtator 2004 - 20:23:

Cilet jo cilat.

The people are afraid of other people that aren't like them. They don't know him. So the more a persone is similiar to you the more you know him and the more you like him.

I'm afraid you are afraid of a lot of people
See you

Postuar nga darke datë 06 Shtator 2004 - 20:28:

Citim:
Po citoj ato që tha Aljohin

I'm afraid you are afraid of a lot of people

are you afraid of a lot of people? or you are afraid because I am afraid? or both of us are afraid? I don't understand what you mean... what is exactly what scare you from the people? and answer me the others questions please.

Postuar nga Klodel datë 06 Shtator 2004 - 20:44:

communication. that is the factor. we can't live without communication. the best example that comes to my mind is the film where Tom HAnks played i forgot the title but kind of a Robinson Crusoe of modern times. he was all the time talking to a kind of ball he made himself.

why we are so isolated? because we don't know how to communicate anymore and we think it is not important. yet exchange of emotions of ideas of feelings of thoughts is the main axes of our life.

Postuar nga darke datë 06 Shtator 2004 - 20:46:

What make Albanian people to be “Albanian”? What make you feel like Albanian and (for example) not French?

Is it possible to have multicultural, multiethnic societies with unity in diversity?

Postuar nga Klodel datë 06 Shtator 2004 - 20:52:

the ADN
identity language, mentality, customs, traditions, culture, historical development make us feel Albanians.

UNity in diversity yes it is possible and it is where all the common trends lead.

Postuar nga darke datë 06 Shtator 2004 - 21:00:

Citim:
Po citoj ato që tha analistja

UNity in diversity yes it is possible and it is where all the common trends lead.

how?

Postuar nga Klodel datë 06 Shtator 2004 - 21:05:

globalisation brings people together and melts the barriers. it enhances intercultural communication and abolishes pregiudices. it opens up cultures and nations to the rest of the world

Postuar nga darke datë 06 Shtator 2004 - 21:12:

Do computer chat groups on the Internet promote a new type of community, one that is both placeless and faceless?

Postuar nga Klodel datë 06 Shtator 2004 - 21:20:

i don't know what chat groups in internet promote, because I know only Albanian Chat groups. But yes internet brings people together. is what brings together albanians from all around the world to communicate with one another.

I don't know if it can be considered a new type of community. Because it has a true existence and a red and black color .
before we used to unite round our FLAG. today we are uniting round our IDENTITY even online and even more round our LANGUAGE that sounds so sweet when u speak from a foreign country.

Postuar nga darke datë 06 Shtator 2004 - 21:30:

Citim:
Po citoj ato që tha analistja
today we are uniting round our IDENTITY even online and even more round our LANGUAGE that sounds so sweet when u speak from a foreign country.

Is there an urban personality? an albanian personality?

Postuar nga Klodel datë 06 Shtator 2004 - 21:32:

Citim:
Po citoj ato që tha darke

Is there an urban personality? an albanian personality?

We try to melt all the differences between different parts of Albania, ( regions). I would say there is more of an Albanian personality than urban personality

Postuar nga darke datë 06 Shtator 2004 - 21:53:

Citim:
Po citoj ato që tha analistja

We try to melt all the differences between different parts of Albania, ( regions).

How do you melt the differences?

Postuar nga unforgiven datë 06 Shtator 2004 - 21:59:

Everybody has multiple identities: social identity, ethnicity, nationality..

- Ethnicity is main point that identify people from the others and refers to the identification with a particular ethnic group:
a group of people that shares some or all of the following characteristics: belief in common descent, a common language, a common religion,a shared history, an association with a particular territory (whether or not they possess it) and a sense of solidarity. They can live everywhere identified in their ethnic name. ( for eg: we are albanian)

But today in multicultural nation-states the ethnic groups are faced with many problems:language issues,marrying outside the group,differences between generations, self-determination.... and groups are struggling for independence, maintain identity..
but I think the future will reduce the boundaries between the ethnic groups.

Postuar nga Klodel datë 06 Shtator 2004 - 22:05:

Citim:
Po citoj ato që tha darke

How do you melt the differences?

by respecting them all in the same way

Postuar nga Aljohin datë 06 Shtator 2004 - 22:05:

I'm not afraid of a lot of people. I think that you are afraid of many people
It was just a joke. Don't tell me you didn't understand. Anyway are you afraid of people?

Postuar nga darke datë 06 Shtator 2004 - 23:03:

Citim:
Po citoj ato që tha mona

Ethnicity is main point that identify people from the others

I think while cultural and economic life is becoming globalized, the feelling of cultural uniqueness can inspire people to fight physically for a separate identity, as in the case of Basques in Spain, or Bosnian Serbs… I don’t know… contemporary society is too large, too diverse, and too individualistic to promote a sense of community except in soubcommunities (ethnic groups) or collectivities... for example the American ideal of the melting pot is not true. This place is multiculturalism. Here people live in separated neighbourghoods: there is a black neighbourghood, greek neightbourghood, mexican, indian, jewish… and you can’t walk safe at nights in other neighbourghood different to yours… this is a multiethnic and multicultural nation but there is no unity. There is endemic racism in United States. Probably also in the whole world.
the future will reduce the boundaries between the ethnic groups? Mixing the “races”? probably…
I think everybody, are characterized by a symbolic ethnicity; this is, their ethnic identity may be more symbolic than real. Furthermore, ethnic identity is more of a political and psychological defense mechanism against a lack of opportunities… here in USA they would be the “whites”, in Albanian case “the insiders”?… uffffffff like always the ability of a community to control its fate is related to its political and economic power.

Citim:
Po citoj ato që tha analistja
by respecting them all in the same way

that sounds like Utopia, don't you think?

Citim:
Po citoj ato që tha Aljohin
Anyway are you afraid of people?

No. and u?

Postuar nga Klodel datë 06 Shtator 2004 - 23:08:

Citim:
Po citoj ato që tha darke

that sounds like Utopia, don't you think?

not really. for me is reality

Postuar nga Endri datë 10 Shtator 2004 - 04:51:

Good question!

Citim:
this is a multiethnic and multicultural nation but there is no unity.

True. There will never be unity because it is human nature. All the stereotypes, dislikes between each other's culture will always play a role in broken relations between nations. Not all people are as open minded and merciful as you darke. What brings humanity together are of course the same objectives and goals we all have and i think the future will be brighter for us for the fact that everyday we are fighting ignorance.

Postuar nga darke datë 10 Shtator 2004 - 05:08:

I was reading this afternoon about one of the most politically radical and controversial urbanist in North America today, Richard Sennet, and his definition of “city” reminded me what analistja said before about the "communication" and "respect" between people. To Sennett the most important element of exchange in the city is talk. This is from his book “The Civitas of Seeing” (1989):

"A city isn’t just a place to live, to shop, to go out and have kids play. It’s a place that implicates how one derives one’s ethics, how one develops a sense of justice, how one learns to talk with and learn from people who are unlike oneself, which is how a human being becomes human."

what kind of objetives and goals do you mean Endri?
Oh, but there must be something else that make you to feel near people like you... have you found other Albanian people in the city where you live now in Canada? didn't you feel connected to them? maybe by sharing the same culture? is it the same feeling like to belong to the same family?

Postuar nga Aljohin datë 10 Shtator 2004 - 19:00:

No. and u? [/B][/QUOTE]

No. Your courage gives me courage
Albanian people feel closer to albanians than to the french people becouse their culture is closer to Albanians than to the french people, every one knows that (anyway I don't understan what are you trying to tell).

Postuar nga darke datë 10 Shtator 2004 - 21:00:

Citim:
Po citoj ato që tha Aljohin
(anyway I don't understan what are you trying to tell).

I don't try to tell anything... I'm just seeking for answers

Postuar nga Aljohin datë 10 Shtator 2004 - 21:11:

Ha ha ha....I missed you darke...nice picture

I don't try to tell anything... I'm just seeking for answers [/B][/QUOTE]

And you don't like my answers?

Postuar nga darke datë 10 Shtator 2004 - 21:13:

Citim:
Po citoj ato që tha Aljohin
And you don't like my answers?

...is a question of taste?

Postuar nga Aljohin datë 10 Shtator 2004 - 21:15:

Yessssssss

Postuar nga darke datë 10 Shtator 2004 - 21:17:

hahahahahahaaha

Postuar nga Aljohin datë 10 Shtator 2004 - 21:18:

I'll take it as a yes

Postuar nga darke datë 10 Shtator 2004 - 21:19:

It's a "you yet don't convince me"

Postuar nga rrushi datë 11 Shtator 2004 - 01:45:

What ties people together is NEED, they know they'd have no chance of surviving if they were alone, they share roles, duties, creativity, freedom, responsbility, life, they know there is no other way if they want to survive...
They stick together because they are alike, they all share the lonliness of their exsistence, the pain of being human, but they also stick together because they compliment each other...they are curious and in a neverending quest for fullfillment...and possibilities beyond themselves...
They stick together because they have a basic need to belong, we have a collective identity as much as we have a personal one, we make sense of ourselves and the world through sharing ourselves with others and if we don't make sense we disintegrate.
The reason why america is so "individualistic" is not because of lack of communication but because americans have a fundamental, almost anal need for control and power so that they can decide who fits where and make sure they keep it that way. There are so many cities built on imaginary boundaries that separate the rich from the poor, the gay from the straight, the white from the black, the natives from the imigrants, etc etc., the perfect status quo don't you think? It's safe, it's predictable, it gives them control, it makes sense...

Postuar nga darke datë 11 Shtator 2004 - 02:24:

Citim:
Po citoj ato që tha rrushi

The reason why america is so "individualistic" is not because of lack of communication but because americans have a fundamental, almost anal need for control and power so that they can decide who fits where and make sure they keep it that way. There are so many cities built on imaginary boundaries that separate the rich from the poor, the gay from the straight, the white from the black, the natives from the imigrants, etc etc., the perfect status quo don't you think? It's safe, it's predictable, it gives them control, it makes sense...

Yes, I agree with you... to name, to clasify everything make people have control so feel safe... but this "individuality" happens only in Nort American cities?

...and how deep is this collective identity to bind people? does it works the same when you are in your country than when you are abroad?

Postuar nga rrushi datë 11 Shtator 2004 - 02:41:

Of course it does. Do I feel connected with albanians here? To some extent yes. I live in south boston where you can find the second large albainan community (maybe third) in the US and I don't connect with anyone. It's simple because most of the ones I've met I wouldn't bother to know even if I was in Albania, I just don't like thier personalities. But most of my friends are albanian, I just have more fun with them. You know, the collective identity has no barriers or boundaries, you carry it with you because it's part of who you are, a very integral part of who you are. It has nothing to do with where you physically live. I think most of the anxiety and depression imigrants go through is related to the identity crisis they experience, the collective identity crisis, for a moment there they don't know where they belong...

Postuar nga rrushi datë 11 Shtator 2004 - 02:52:

By the way, the collective identity can't be seen separate from the personal one that's why being albanian has a different meaning for every one. The collective identity doesn't just refer to ethnicity it entails values, morals, ideals, experiences that a group of people share.
And since I can't avoid sharing smth personal, for me joining this forum (among other things) and rediscovering my albanian identity has been one of the most grounding and fullfilling processes that helped me through the identity crisis. As you can see, the ties that bind us know no barriers.

Postuar nga darke datë 12 Shtator 2004 - 09:35:

Citim:
Po citoj ato që tha rrushi
It has nothing to do with where you physically live.

I wouldn’t be so sure about this. Even you said “in south boston where you can find the second large albanian community (maybe third) in the US”; so it’s mean that albanian people meet together to live in a specific place, making a community. I don’t say that communities are based solely on the sharing of space, I agree with you that comunnity is based on a feeling of “we-ness” that is a sense of shared identity and interdependence. But there is something interesting to analyze... I think that this feeling of ethnic identification or of belonging to a country or nationality, is created "abroad"... for example... in Albania people is identified with a region, a dialect, a village, or a family rather than with the nation. But when they are abroad they are just "Albanians". We could see that ethnicity is the extent to which a group thinks of itself as a whole, organizes itself, or acts in a unified way?

About this forum, I think it can be considered an albanian community in the networld, don't you think?

. People meet in cyberspace sharing information, secrets, even FEELINGS!… Is there any difference between virtual and real communities?

Postuar nga Aljohin datë 13 Shtator 2004 - 14:51:

Citim:
Po citoj ato që tha darke
It's a "you yet don't convince me"

Is it YES (i like your answers) but you yet don't convince me?

Are you blonde?

Postuar nga Aljohin datë 13 Shtator 2004 - 21:22:

Darke don't you know that we have a center in our brain that has as a function making reasons for us. It doesn't metter if the reason is accurate or not to convince us.
So to cut it shortly, you will see the light soon never the less till now you are not convinced yet.

Postuar nga darke datë 15 Shtator 2004 - 23:00:

Citim:
Po citoj ato që tha Aljohin
Is it YES (i like your answers) but you yet don't convince me?
Are you blonde?

I'm nigger

Postuar nga Aljohin datë 23 Shtator 2004 - 14:01:

Nice kommunitie eh? But we are in the theme of gjeologji and gjeografi....hmmmm.....mmmm.......ohmmmmm.....eurekaaaaa
I think this girls are from bengala

Postuar nga Aljohin datë 23 Shtator 2004 - 14:02:

Citim:
Po citoj ato që tha darke

I'm nigger

Yes but are you blonde?

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